Captain Obvious

Joined

• started 17 topics
• posted 886 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Captain Obvious

• 
  34

  If You Can Get Out Of The Jehovah's Witness Religion---DO IT!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i realize some people feel they can't just leave the religion.

  they have family, friends, position.. some elders mistakenly believe that they might be able to reform the cult from within.

  the truth is, the religion is never really going to change.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  So let me put it out to my fellow JWNers.

  I woke up early 2012. Took my time, devouring all info I could about why and how to leave this religion. I hide nothing from my wife, who knows exactly how I feel. She remains on the sidelines for fear of losing family and friends, and as a result has done no research about anything non-JW. She doesn't want to be a JW without me per se, but puts out relationship above all else. We have very few close JW friends nearby, we go to maybe one meeting a month and she goes maybe 2 hrs/month in service.

  My question: is it better for me to continue loosely affiliated, hoping she starts to research? Do I push the issue more? Or do I quit going altogether, lose my one remaining (good) JW friend and hopefully pushing her hand? Is the potential gain in intellectual honesty with myself worth the potential fallout with my wife?
• 
  20

  Checkmate WT!

  by ILoveTTATT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a lot of you know, i am making a catalog of all the articles and quotes that the wt used to make the creation book.

  i want to see all the quotes for myself, if possible.. i went to my university today, and i got some more books.. checkmate, wt!

  i can now check every single quote, almost without regard to how obscure or rare the book is!.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Woah! That. Is. Awesome what you're doing. So you can show the dishonest quotation in the creation book? Is that it?
• 
  40

  Silence after stating my confusion about "144,000"

  by tidalblitz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the other night, i was told about a question that a friend's bible study had asked them.

  the bible study asked: "if jesus is perfect, why does he need the 144,000 to help him rule?

  " this friend does not know how to answer this question.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  I don't think that's quite accurate per current JW doctrine. The particular cutoff in time no longer applies. The 144k are just "chosen" at some point in life. Proof of this would be the 49 something GB member
• 
  74

  They continue to drop like flies

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, the jws continue to bleed their young ones, so far in my local kh 3 were dfd, one girl just turned 18 this month and packed her bags and said goodbye to the cult and her cultish parents, another young 18 year old man decided to have a non-jw girlfriend and decided to stop attending and is no longer a witness.

  they continue to leave and wt leaders dont give a damn.

  they dont do anything to help kids be successful and live a healthy life.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Well they DO give a damn. Thats why we see the youth-aimed videos and such being ramped up. They're trying to lock them in early as possible.

  Show me a talk by Tony Morris in the last few years that hasn't included the strong encouragement to be baptized at 13 or 14.
• 
  19

  Android or iPad? Help please.

  by Xanthippe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems i am going to have to teach people to use a tablet as part of my job and i don't even have one!

  any advice would be most helpful please.. i keep reading blurb on amazon etc and now i'm really confused.

  what should i buy?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  If it's for work you may have to buy both! But IMO the iPad is extremely easy to use.
• 
  47

  A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some souls here may feel i was a little harsh.

  if so, i am deeply sorry.

  i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Very interesting idea... Very curious.

  EdenOne, you're right in saying that most of us don't care about getting any money. I don't care if their cash gets piled up and burned, long as they don't have it anymore. Once they cannot function, and their god won't save the WT, many eyes will open. They will claim persecution sure, but once they don't recover... They will see that Jehovah does NOT provide.
• 
  20

  Why Do Certain "Inactive Ones" Get Bothered By The Elders While Others Don't?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems some inactive ones and active jws are hardly ever bothered by the elders while others are constantly called, checked up on, etc...... what gives?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Good question!

  It also must depend on how involved the person was before they learned TTATT. Personally, I never commented, never had any "priveledges" and average svc time was 3-5 hrs/mo. So not a big loss. Also, I have no family within 1000 miles of where I live. Once I quit, I got one shep visit and that's it.

  What about kids? Could they make a difference in how hard the elders hound the fader?
• 
  52

  2014 Convention Audio available?

  by gbrn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering if anyone is aware of any recordings of the convention as of yet?

  i know its relatively early, so i may just have to wait.

  just curious if anyone had a copy yet.. thanks!.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  So... Some of actually had to sit and quietly suffer through 3 days of this garbage... Let me tell ya, it was no more exciting than any other convention before it. A lot less hate speech than last year, but no more "truth".

  Do what you like, I'm just telling you you didn't miss anything. Anything at all.
• 
  67

  Meet The Mormons - UK TV This Evening

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  a new "fly-on-the-wall" documentary about the life of young mormon missionaries goes out this evening on channel 4.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Paging Cold Steel... Care to comment, sir?
• 
  16

  shepherding call

  by DesirousOfChange in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you don't say why you are inactive.. if you can control your tongue and not blurt out anything you have learned about ttatt, then perhaps no harm in agreeing to a visit if you feel the need to be polite and cooperative.

  no doubt, they will inquire as to why you are inactive.. don't you know it's the truth(tm)?.

  don't you know the end(tm) is close?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Captain Obvious

  Here's how it will go down. They will pester you until you agree to a visit. You could try and tell them that you'd rather not meet, doing fine thanks but that will raise a small flag. These boys have sniffed out, hunted out and DFed their fair share of apostates. They are experienced and know all of the signs. You could probably fool your local body, but not these cats. At all costs, defer your visit til they're gone.

  Other side of the coin: you meet, have a nice family shep visit. They will ask you about your family study schedule. They will ask you how often you pray. Either your answer will be never, or your wife and kid get to sit and watch you LIE to these mens faces. There's no way you can get through a shep visit with them without either giving them too much info, or lying to them. Both are bad outcomes.

  In my humble opinion, your best option for the time being is to just take the risk and tell them you're not available until their visit is over. Then when your local elders ask you when would be a good time to pop by, tell them you'd rather not. That should buy you 6 months or so.